If it's any consolation, we also did acupuncture with the failed FET, but not the one that worked. Live birth rate differences are inconsistent and therefore inconclusive. However, this study did not focus on the >35 age group, which is likely to be the most benefited by this technique. , dont be sorry! I want to be exhaustive in testing to get to the bottom of the issue, but I certainly don't want to waste time/money on tests we don't need. Additionally, my RE says sometimes they will recommend these medications even if you test negative but have recurrent pgs transfer failures with no other explanations (you might want to search autoimmune immune protocol on these boards). They may be able to use the same sample as the ERA if you do both. Thanks so much for sharing! Interestingly enough my protocol remained the same between my chemical FET and the successful one. Did your RE have you take anything other than progesterone and estrogen and aspirin? The thing we did differently for this one was adding an antihistamine protocol. Trade-offs of PGT-A (or PGS) Has anyone had this happen and did any further testing determine the cause? Best of luck! After 10 days, they came back and said that it was low and that i should mentally prepare myself for a chemical pregnancy. I think its valuable information because many people dont realize the chances of not getting blasts/eligible blasts for biopsy. This means that these women had euploid embryos for transfer. We spent well over 45K to get to this point. Was just curious if the percentages of a live birth increase after a positive pregnancy test. The chances of having a positive outcome with PGS testing and IVF depend on the number of the produced embryos that have a positive result in the test. Check here for the full glossary (please excuse the repeated terms!). These stats are based off many people, so your results may not exactly hit the average. Preimplantation genetic testing (PGT) is the process of testing embryos created during in vitro fertilization (IVF) to determine the presence of genetic abnormalities that can lead to pregnancy complications, birth defects, congenital disease and/or miscarriage. Miscarriage is defined as a loss between clinical pregnancy (detection of a gestational sac or heartbeat) and 20 weeks of gestation. We respect everyones right to express their thoughts and opinions as long as they remain respectful of other community members, and meet What to Expects Terms of Use. 1) Has anyone else had the immune suppressing protocol NOT work, and then gone on to have it work? Your clinic may have a better idea of how things work in their hands. So what gives now?? definitely worth asking! Dr is responsible for allowing . 2 came back normal. I expect a call from my RE tomorrow, will ask about both of your suggestions, the immune protocol and antihistamine and see what she thinks . I actually didn't do acupuncture the second cycle, but I was in great shape. It kind of makes me wonder what they get out of their alternative recommendations. I will say that I have heard a LOT of stories of people having failures with PGS embryos followed by successes- on here and on instagram. Your experience gives me hope so thank you for sharing , - Estradiol patches and to apply 4 of them and change them every 2 days, - progesterone 200mg suppository morning and evening. What would they tell me and how would they impact protocol differently? Obviously, when we look at transfer rates with PGS tested embryos, we are not including all the women who didnt have anything to transfer. We put both in and im currently 8weeks pregnant. Has anyone had a similar experience but had a viable pregnancy. IVF is a numbers game. There isnt much data on it, and 2 of the 3 studies found no difference, so it isnt exactly clear. However, these differences were not found in women older than 30 years. Please can you offer a perspective? She is pregnant right now from that cycle. 35 years old At this point I am waiting to start my 5th miscarriage. (I had these done at a private lab since my nurse wouldn't let me come in early) My last donor embryo cycle was also a chemical pregnancy but no PGS was done. My RE felt that having one good embryo was not a guarantee, so 4 rounds of retrievals it took before we had a few to work with. My husband and I started trying to get pregnant about a year ago (we're both 35). Trying naturally, assisted, etc. I an 33 and my husband is 37. And mosaics are in between, with low/moderate level mosaics (<50% aneuploid cells) performing nearly the same as euploids. Out of the 6 that were pgs tested, 3 came back normal and 1 came back inconclusive. Multiple losses due to chromosomal abnormality, did you do ivf? We respect everyones right to express their thoughts and opinions as long as they remain respectful of other community members, and meet What to Expects Terms of Use. Create an account or log in to participate. We decided to start with IUI with clomid which resulted in another chemical pregnancy. This ended up working for me after my biochemical pregnancy. I ended up taking Lovenox and Prednisone and doing an endometrial scratch biopsy and ERA. Embryoman (Sean Lauber) is a former embryologist and creator of Remembryo.com. It worked and now I'm 24 weeks pregnant with twins! I had a PGT normal day 7 embryo that unfortunately resulted in a chemical. He earned his MSc in 2012 for his research on inflammation and lung cancerand started Remembryo in 2018 to help people understand the evidence behind common IVF topics. thank you so much! My second was ectopic, my third was a failure and Im about 7.5 weeks pregnant from my 4th (). Hi, i didnt have chemicals, I had bfn for my first two transfers. We decided to see an RE given our age. Learn more about, Learn About What to Expect's Pregnancy & Baby App. Maybe the wash too? Good luck and feel free to PM me. While a PGS normal embryo means the chromosomes are normal, there is more to a baby than just chromosomes and sometimes it just doesnt work. Your doctor sounds JUST like mine did before I switchedpushing surrogacy and unwilling to try anything differently. Nov 2, 2016 8:12 AM. We had PGS/PGD testing and an ERA. Success rates for graded euploids are given here https://www.remembryo.com/pgs-success-rates/#Embryo_grades_and_PGS_success_rates. As that was the only PGS normal embryo we had, I ended up having to do another egg retrieval. Thanks for sharing! They also reported the number ofblastsbiopsied. First, PGS improves pregnancy rates. Took 2 years of "fighting" but looking back all the money, pain. So weve been ttc for almost 2 years. And demand that my lining be over 8 before I allow another transfer to occur? Would you ladies push next time for a different protocol? Im so sorry to hear about your losses but so happy with your current miracle. Best of luck to you. I wanted to reach out and see if you know a way to find a surrogate on your own, rather than going thru an agency. hang in there. I did switch clinics in the middle and felt that my new clinic cared more about me and was more aggressive in testing for other things and adding new medications to my cycles. We timed everything to my cycle. I'm curious if this might have something to do with it. Chemical pregnancies occur so early that many people who miscarry don't realize it. in reply to 3 years ago Thank you so much! Reply Share React AMB425 Sep 2, 2016 11:01 AM Generally, Day 5 embryos perform better than Day 7 embryos. Theper retrievalstatistic helps to see the chancesbefore PGStesting. Single embryo transfer both times. Are you sure you want to block this member? They found that: If you want to read my summary of this paper, check here. Starting in the late 1990s, doctors testing fertilized eggs classified them as normal or abnormal, then added the classification "mosaic" in 2015. No clinic ended up quoting more than 60-70% . Group Leaders communicate with staff moderators and escalate potential violations for review, but they dont moderate discussions. Im absolutely going to ask for biopsy and check for endometritis. It definitely won't hurt to ask your doctors about an antihistamine protocol, I don't remember the exact dosages I took or how long. In this case the clinic will need to: So the embryo would have to go through multiple rounds of freezing/thawing/biopsy, and this might have an impact on its potential. I did do another round of IVF and am now 17 weeks pregnant. No PGS testing So crazy that its what finally worked. Now I wonder if that could have been the culprit. Obviously this is not an ideal situation but sometimes this happens. You may want to ask/consider this before moving on for more data before trying with another precious embryo. I have one more embryo remaining. Or a fully aneuploid embryo? Oops, meant to say Im 17 weeks pregnant from my last FET! Are there recent numbers for this comparison? is there another clinic in your area you can switch to? My TSH was marginally high and I started synthroid. About 7 months later I transferred a day 7. After the first, we did the era and added the endo scratch. These are said to help in cases with failed transfers or previous miscarriages because it calms down your system to accept the embryo, where without sometimes your immune response would attack it as something foreign. Thanks again! How about a mosaic? My AMH was low, around 1.5, FSH was slightly high, and follicle count was low normal. I think whats missing is the success rates for transfers of non PGS tested embryos. Try to take extra good care of yourself while you regroup from this cycle, and then go with your instincts for your next cycle. Talk about adjusting meds? I just looked briefly online and saw mixed reviews about embryos being damaged when shipped. With a PGS tested embryo this time. Some of the issues with the studies included in the meta-analysis were brought up: Future studies should focus on single embryo transfers, and in women >35, to see if PGT-A truly has a reduction in miscarriage rates for this age group. Did you carry to full term? The educational health content on What To Expect is reviewed by our medical review board and team of experts to be up-to-date and in line with the latest evidence-based medical information and accepted health guidelines, including the medically reviewed What to Expect books by Heidi Murkoff. Chances for getting a euploid embryo A recent 2019 study looked at 130,000 biopsies by NGS tested (this is the current testing method): Donor eggs: 63.1% euploid <35 years: 59.5% euploid 35-37 years: 50.3% euploid 38-40 years: 38.3% euploid 41-42 years: 26.8% euploid 43-44 years: 24% euploid For that reason my RE said she would start testing such as ERA after a second failed transfer but didnt think it was necessary after the first failed transfer. We had 30 eggs retrieval. Capalbo et al. How did your pregnancy turn out? Reminder: I have an integrated glossary in the text (terms are underlined with a dotted black line, and when you tap on it a window will pop up with the definition). Thanks! Second, PGS speeds up the time to pregnancy. I agree with the others that you should push for some sort of testing or SOMETHING to investigate before trying again (if you haven't already). After my negative, we did ERA and had a hysteroscopy to correct a small septum. Is it because they were early blastocysts? Hi, sorry about your 1st FET chemical. This was my only PGS normal embryo so I have to re-do that as well.. Dear RLM11, so sorry for your losses, I know how devastating it is! Most assume theyll get the stats that are reported per transfer without knowing if theyll get eligible blasts or not. Yeah now Im just rethinking everything. Autoimmune Testing? For women 35-40 years old, there was no statistical difference (8.2% for PGT-A vs 11.0% for untested). What are the differences between the two tests? Will be put on lovenox this round as well. Inconclusive or No Result biopsies may require a second round of biopsy aka a rebiopsy. The usefulness comes when someone who is starting IVF and considering PGS testing. I am 39 turning 40 this year. We have one day 7/Euploid Blast 5BB remaining on ice. To perform the biopsy, an embryologist removes 2-10 cells from the precursor placenta cells of the blastocyst embryo, called the trophectoderm. The test uses an algorythm and brings together age (in my case 44), the nuchal measurement of the foetus (which was normal) and the values of PAPP-A and Beta HCG from a blood test. Because of my age and being diagnosed with diminished egg reserve we did "embryo batching" and I had 4 rounds of egg retrievals before moving onto any transfers. I had a chemical pregnancy with my first FET. Use of this site is subject to our terms of use and privacy policy. What are the chances of having a miscarriage after transferring a PGT-A tested euploid embryo? Hi everyone. Ive had two biochemical losses with day 6 4BC euploids and with 1 day 6 4BC left to try, Im wondering our odds. I'm sure that is REALLY frustrating to have a loss after spending all that money to get "good" embryos. So all the aneuploid embryos that were transferred either didnt implant, or miscarried. I suspected that my Hashimotos had something to do with the chemicals so we figured we will do IVF#4 and PGS test the embryos. The educational health content on What To Expect is reviewed by our medical review board and team of experts to be up-to-date and in line with the latest evidence-based medical information and accepted health guidelines, including the medically reviewed What to Expect books by Heidi Murkoff. And I can't say thats the sole reason this one stuck, but it is the one thing we did differently, and here I am. Weve spent almost 45K on this process and we are with a reputable clinic affiliated with CCRM so I am confident they know what they are doing but you cant also help but wonder is there more that can be done Im waiting to hear from the team to see if shes given some more thoughts. To count these women in, we can look at the per retrievaldata: Now when we look at everyone the stats look much different! If I had transferred two without PGS, there would have been a significant chance that both would have been abnormal. So in your case it might be different since yours are chemical pregnancies but still worth asking I think :) Also someone above mentioned the endometrial biopsy which would also probably be a good idea. Objective: To determine whether undetected aneuploidy contributes to pregnancy loss after transfer of euploid embryos that have undergone array comparative genomic hybridization (aCGH). My current doctor did mention surrogacy as well, especially since the embryo we brought over was our final attempt with IVF. What to Expect supports Group Black and its mission to increase greater diversity in media voices and media ownership. Im sorry to hear that. During my first IVF cycle, when we only created 2 normal embryos out of 18 eggs (my husband's sperm is great), it seemed like embryo quality would have explained the first two chemical pregnancies. I asked her can we do bloodwork to see what couldve caused the miscarriage (I.e immune complex, blood clotting disorder or inflammation) and she doesnt think I need to and how we should proceed with the same protocol again and I dont know how to feel about this unable to sleep. Im hoping to do another transfer in January. However, the two transfers we did werent PGS tested. I remember you from another post I made about only having 2 eggs fertilized you were so kind to share your story. PGS/PGT-A success rates can vary. The embryo biopsy can be utilized to perform preimplantation genetic screening or PGS. Fast Facts About PGS Testing Risks. She said that this is something that is prevalent in recurrent pregnancy loss and failed implantations. It's an autoimmune blood clotting disorder that can cause recurrent miscarriage. We strive to provide you with a high quality community experience. I've read that in a non-IVF pregnancy, the rate of miscarriage is about 21.3% between weeks 5 and 6. My clinic does allow each patient to continue with one retrieval with only 1-2 follicles, however, for cost reasons since we're doing ICSI and PGS testing I'm considering cancelling the cycle. I felt like a number in his practice, and I think he was milking my insurance for all he could get. Create an account or log in to participate. The RE I ended up with said "lets fight for this!" Its so heartbreaking but Im trying to find some hope so I can move forward. Use of this site is subject to our terms of use and privacy policy. , thats definitely worth looking into as well! The majority of these studies used double embryo transfers, either when transferring euploid embryos, in the control untested groups, or both. My doctor told me you can have an infection in the uterus and have no symptoms. I had a chemical with a PGS embryo in October. I've already previously had 2 hysteroscapies (previously had a uterine septum - one hysteroscapy removed it, the other confirmed there was no scar tissue left). We have our lining check on Friday. Once I started hearing other people's stories I was shocked at how common it is- more so than I ever would have imagined. Sending you positive thoughts . 2005-2023Everyday Health, Inc., a Ziff Davis company. Best of luck! Don't lose hope! yes! Thats what i needed to hear. (2017)found a reduction in embryo survival (from 98% to 93%) and a reduction inlive birth rate(50% to 27%). Thank you TXtoCA, Im definitely planning to make changes. Im currently 17 weeks from another FET. A Group Leader is a What to Expect community member who has been selected by our staff to help maintain a positive, supportive tone within a group. I have however done Intralipid Infusions and taken Neupogen beginning a week before transfer for Autoimmune protocol (although Ive never actually been tested for Autoimmune disorder). I have expressed my concern but my RE believes it is more about the pattern. Check here for the full glossary (please excuse the repeated terms!). After a chemical with 2 PGS normals and two miscarriages around 8 weeks (spontaneous pregnancies) and another failed transfer, I found out I had an infection in my lining that can only be detected by a biopsy. These studies were particularly small so drawing conclusions isnt really possible yet. Both Chemical pregnancies my lining was under 7. Im sorry that didnt work. Success rates with chromosomally normal embryos, complete guide to embryo grading and success rates, https://www.remembryo.com/pgs-success-rates/#Embryo_grades_and_PGS_success_rates, They also found that the chance of getting a complex abnormal embryo increased with age, Graded as excellent (AA) or good (AB or BA) = 50% live birth, Graded as excellent: 84%ongoing pregnancy, 0% miscarriage, Good: 62%ongoing pregnancy, 3% miscarriage, Poor: 36%ongoing pregnancy, 19% miscarriage, Thaw the embryo and culture it until it can be biopsied (this may take a few hours to a day), If the 2nd test comes back euploid and you transfer, another thaw will need to be done. Another thing to consider: Has your doctor done a hysteroscopy? END MENTS We really expected to find success with our first pgs transfer even though our company and RE only quoted 60% odds per embryo transferits a good but tough reminder that its not expected to always work. I had a chemical last November with a PGS normal embryo and was successful with the second FET in July. You have to do whatever you feel comfortable with and its so unfortunate that money plays a huge role in these decisions. Check here for the full. I also did Neupogen but they still wanted to test for autoimmune disorders. My doctor thought it was possibly due to retained products of conception. For <37, this was about 5, for 37-40 about 4, and for >40 about 3 (so older women tend to produce fewerblasts). I only have embryo left ugh . may be contradicted by other studies. Its such a good point and one that is often missed, I think. If youre confused about the terminology youll see coming up, check my post on understanding PGS testing results. My second Beta I dropped to 59. I don't know how many more cycles I can do as my emotional reserve is running low. I'm in a similar situation so will ask my RE about all of this! What to Expect supports Group Black and its mission to increase greater diversity in media voices and media ownership. That sounds a lot like my dr. Its basically an assembly line in there. Currently 8 weeks. Group Black's collective includes Essence, The Shade Room and Naturally Curly. For the autoimmune stuff above I was tested by Alexander Kofinas.
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